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Issue with tables in some sections of the game

Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2025 11:32 am
by Waters
Hi all,
I'm having a weird issue in some sections of the game, and I'm wondering if anyone can reproduce it or knows what this is all about.
Take this example.
If I go to the CE Data Repository, the top of the screen is familiar and has all the categories I can dive into in a table. I am able to navigate each table cell with NVDA's table commands (alt+control+arrow keys.)
However, if I go to the second table which lists all the items under that category and try to use those very same commands, NVDA will not move me around the table even though it announces row/column information, confirming I'm in a table, as I navigate by just using up/down arrow. It's not an issue with an addon as this only seems to happen on certain pages (though I forget what the others are at the moment) and it also happens when NVDA is disabled.
On a sidenote, I've noticed a few areas in Sphere where the system bodies aren't in the usual table format they seem to be otherwise, and some instances in combat where the game will generate a table seemingly out of nowhere as combat nears its conclusion and throws the information on the webpage into said table where it wasn't before.

Re: Issue with tables in some sections of the game

Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2025 4:49 pm
by Waters
It looks like the table where you can view barter stock at Sven's Barter Store has this issue too.

Re: Issue with tables in some sections of the game

Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2025 4:21 pm
by Waters
One other place where tables may not appear is in the system view. Take the Castalan system. There's the spacial representation of the system and below it, the bodies are individually named with an orbit button. In many cases, that section is listed as a table, but in many cases it isn't, for no apparent reason.

Re: Issue with tables in some sections of the game

Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2025 1:03 pm
by Coops
Waters wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 4:21 pm One other place where tables may not appear is in the system view. Take the Castalan system. There's the spacial representation of the system and below it, the bodies are individually named with an orbit button. In many cases, that section is listed as a table, but in many cases it isn't, for no apparent reason.
Not really sure why your SR is behaving this way, obviously the code is the same for All system views, with the data being drawn from the database and rendered to the grid table, with an extra table to the right listing the locations in that system.

I can't find any reason why it would render systems differently. I have looked at the Castalan system, and it's got nothing in it that would cause it be treated any differently.

Perhaps anyone here thats using NVDA can lend some feedback to this issue.

Coops

Re: Issue with tables in some sections of the game

Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2025 1:11 pm
by Coops
Reviewing some of the areas you appear to be having issue with, it seems you may be having issues due to assuming the tables are all the same, when in fact we use two table methods here in CE. One is the older original one we used for the first decade, and the newer one where we are dealing with a lot of data to display and filter uses a more modern data table method.

We did extensive testing with the VI players at the time to ensure that both the old and new tables could be used. Over time, I have been replacing the older method tables with the newer ones with the multiple filter options at the top. With over 5,700 pages of code and many 100's of pages that display tables, it's a work of passion to get through them all.

Again, we do have players using NVDA so perhaps someone using this form of SR can make some observations or assistance to Waters ?

Coops