schematic res CST

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falconner
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schematic res CST

Post by falconner » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:54 am

Hi,
If you have crafted anything before,or had your stuff crafted from a crafter by supplying them with resources, I am sure you will agree that the process of transfering all those resources is a huge pain in the ahem. Ship engineering frames,anyone?
:cry: :evil:
:idea:
Here is what I have been thinking of,although I suppose this might be a bit to code.
Places that have a manufacturing facility,and a cst could allow one to select schems,and transfer the res needed for those schem along with submods to either another planet/starbase or settlement and or another player.
Either one of these would be a great inclusion to the game imo,and would make transfering resources to a person much less of a painful task.
This could be useful in one other situation. say if you keep your crafting stock in a particular planet/starbase or settlement, and what you are wanting to craft can not be crafted on that place, using this you could just move those resources to a suitable location.

For this to happen, though one would need to have all the resources for the schematic,any missing would make this non usable.
I am sure one could introduce limitations to this or a drawback if you will, maybe a 3CR fee per every quantity moved? 1 for the CR,2 for Coops for implementing this idea. ;)
Or and maybe along with that a time duration,much longer than otherwise for all the sorting and transfering of cargo. Maybe the player could not undock after this process for about 5 minutes or so(just a placeholder feel free to insert your own) as the captain/AI needs to keep an eye on what res are being assigned to the bulk transfer.
Along with maybe 1 use per 4 5 days,with more for upgraded AI s.
Thoughts? ideas? suggestions? critisisms,everything welcome.
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Re: schematic res CST

Post by Geistware » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:49 pm

This would be difficult to code as mentioned. An alternative that would be easier to code would be that if you had the resources and the schematics and NOT the MFG/Prod level to make the thing yourself then you could use that schema and resources to create a token. THat token can be given to someone with the MFG/Prod level to craft the item.

The token once created would consume the resources. This token would be the same as kitting all the resources for the crafter.
Personally I would put a time limit on the token or make it something that only a PA account would use. PA can be acquired with real money or festive points so should not be difficult to obtain.

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Re: schematic res CST

Post by Coops » Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:45 am

Interesting question and even more intriguing response from Geistware. The creation of a Crafting Token that consumes all the resources from YOUR store and is then simply handed over to a crafter who with the skills can then use the token to craft the end item.

Has some ramifications on a few levels but its one to chew on and think about. Thoughts from others, as I say if you extrapolate the idea there are a few extra issues it will bring about.

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Re: schematic res CST

Post by Darakhoranon » Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:22 pm

Sounds interesting, and while it would obviously be difficult to implement, it WOULD make crafting for other players much easier since they could "pack up" all the required resources and just hand over this token/package instead of having to transfer one resource after the other - and transferring/accepting all the things you need for e.g. an Eden 2 one by one IS almost physically painful... ;-)

Still, even ignoring for a moment the amount of coding required, it sounds a little "too easy" anyway - maybe there should be some kind of "tax" or other net loss when packing up resources to balance the added comfort...
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Re: schematic res CST

Post by Elkhorn » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:38 am

Some thoughts.
Each schematic has corresponding Module "tokens". So a Corporation Fusion Reactor 2 would be comprised of the component tokens" 2 Corporation R Pulse, 4 Corporation Particle Coils, 24 Corporation G pulse, etc. Each token costs the resources plus a "fee" (festive points, credits, coops tokens, whatever). Once created the resources are locked in the tokens, (maybe a submol option).
It could be implemented in the crafting window with the option to "Create Module Token" that used less manufacturing/construction skill, or maybe the underused negotiation skill?, some other skill? to create the Token. All the required tokens could be "assembled" into the final "Production Token" at a higher cost. This would allow the contribution to larger builds, Star bases, etc. by trading tokens rather than resources.
No xp for the creation of tokens, only for crafting the final product.
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Re: schematic res CST

Post by Sukayo » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:53 am

I like the idea, even picking up all the resources to craft something is ... a bit boring.

For the no exp point from Elkhorn, IMO crafting modules is be done often to get at least a bit of the exp for crafting when not able to handle the final piece.

And to make it easier, a token per final piece is IMO better and easier to handle, so that here is no missing module, 10 units of some resource or anything else.

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Re: schematic res CST

Post by Coops » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:28 pm

Darakhoranon wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:22 pm
Still, even ignoring for a moment the amount of coding required, it sounds a little "too easy" anyway - maybe there should be some kind of "tax" or other net loss when packing up resources to balance the added comfort...
Indeed there would need to be some 'pain' involved in making the process a far smoother and simper one.

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Re: schematic res CST

Post by falconner » Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:08 am

Actually yes, Geistware's idea sounds far more appealing.
Here are a few things I can think of to add to the pain, as they say. honestly I'd be fine with anything as long as! it gets rids of so many clicks...
1. if you own the schems anyway, would it not make much more sense to craft the thing yourself?
Even if you don't have the prod and manf, there are a few ways to get at them,although a bit painful,yes.
Hence allow a token or what you will to be created through just a selection of schems.
2. the costs/limitation to this:
Lets go with limitations to balance it out a bit.
A. once created,the token can not be converted into the resources back again.
B. The token creation process will take x amount of time til then you can't move/undock or what you will (although something else could be added instead) and or limited token creations per week month or day.
Of this to be of use though,say if I select an engineering frame 1 schem/item to be taken into a token, all the mods and submods would be calculated,and time for creation increase accordingly.
After that token was done,depending on how many submods and mods it had,we would be unable to create another until whatever suitable time you think best.
C. limited token holding capacity
Each person can only hold so many tokens at once,that is if you have say,4 tokens you can't create another,until you transfer this to someone and they make use of it. although we could get rid of the make use of it from that last sentence,I see it creating far more complications than its worth.

Costs. hmm... 1 cr per resource quantity as it stands for CST atm,plus aditional 1CR/2 for each res quantity for the creation process.
And Thanks Coops for taking this idea under consideration!

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